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	<title>Comments on: The Electoral College - the enemy of democracy, or protector of liberty?</title>
	<link>http://www.thesonsofliberty.org/2007/07/politics/electoral-college/</link>
	<description>The political and philosophical musings of Rob Tyree</description>
	<pubDate>Wed, 07 Jan 2009 14:54:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: "Pops"</title>
		<link>http://www.thesonsofliberty.org/2007/07/politics/electoral-college/#comment-5</link>
		<dc:creator>"Pops"</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Jul 2007 19:32:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>BTW,

The electoral laws i.e. how they are chosen, are set by the individual states and not by the U.S. Constitution.</description>
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<p>The electoral laws i.e. how they are chosen, are set by the individual states and not by the U.S. Constitution.</p>
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		<title>By: "Pops"</title>
		<link>http://www.thesonsofliberty.org/2007/07/politics/electoral-college/#comment-4</link>
		<dc:creator>"Pops"</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Jul 2007 19:28:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Semantics !

I was talking about the rights of each state as well as individual rights of every citizen of each state. Sorry if I wasn't clear there.

How does "winner take all" reflect my vote in the state of Utah with respect to the national election, since politics are so goddamned one sided here? At least the one demo HoR seat would give us one elector  on the "other side" ... that is until these assholes gerrymander that one out of existence too !</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Semantics !</p>
<p>I was talking about the rights of each state as well as individual rights of every citizen of each state. Sorry if I wasn&#8217;t clear there.</p>
<p>How does &#8220;winner take all&#8221; reflect my vote in the state of Utah with respect to the national election, since politics are so goddamned one sided here? At least the one demo HoR seat would give us one elector  on the &#8220;other side&#8221; &#8230; that is until these assholes gerrymander that one out of existence too !</p>
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		<title>By: Rob</title>
		<link>http://www.thesonsofliberty.org/2007/07/politics/electoral-college/#comment-3</link>
		<dc:creator>Rob</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Jul 2007 17:53:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You are correct - they are elected by a popular vote, but what you left out is that they are elected by only a subset of the population - the people of each state (Senate) or congressional district (HoR).  The point is to protect the rights and interests of each state or district, and by extension, the individuals within that state.

There certainly doesn't appear to be anything in the Constitution or Amendments to suggest that a state should not or can not split their electoral votes as Maine does now - I think the reason more states don't choose to do it is that having a block of votes give that particular state a bit more sway, which is what the Founders intended.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You are correct - they are elected by a popular vote, but what you left out is that they are elected by only a subset of the population - the people of each state (Senate) or congressional district (HoR).  The point is to protect the rights and interests of each state or district, and by extension, the individuals within that state.</p>
<p>There certainly doesn&#8217;t appear to be anything in the Constitution or Amendments to suggest that a state should not or can not split their electoral votes as Maine does now - I think the reason more states don&#8217;t choose to do it is that having a block of votes give that particular state a bit more sway, which is what the Founders intended.</p>
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		<title>By: "Pops"</title>
		<link>http://www.thesonsofliberty.org/2007/07/politics/electoral-college/#comment-2</link>
		<dc:creator>"Pops"</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Jul 2007 17:37:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Okay my son!  

Let me start by saying that the two house system was one of the most brilliant ideas to come out of the constitutional convention.  It does indeed serve to preserve the checks and balances we so dearly cherish (and yearn to regain from the current King George).  But remember , at the risk of defeating my own argument, that those Representatives and Senators are elected by a popular vote of the people. 

Although I am somewhat in agreement with the argument for the electoral college, you serve to bolster it's weakness with the idea that only the most populated states  gain the attention of the candidates.  They will, and do concentrate their resources for the most part on those particular states anyway. What would the big difference be in nine states or eleven states ?  Your statement about regional issues pertaining to lower populated areas not getting their attention applies today !  That's the reason for many of the western states sort of "ganging up" for a so-called western primary election.  I have serious doubts about it getting much more of the candidates' attention than we do now.
 
Perhaps a better solution might be for all states to apportion their electors on a pro rated basis according to the popular vote or perhaps the way New York did in 1828 and  Maine and Nebraska do now. (Didn't think I'd do my homework, did ya ? ! )
That at least looks to be a more representative way of selecting electors.
We need to put more of the "DEMOS" ( that's Greek for THE PEOPLE for those of you in Utah county) back in this Democratic Republic !
Just a few more thoughts to ponder over.       Pops</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Okay my son!  </p>
<p>Let me start by saying that the two house system was one of the most brilliant ideas to come out of the constitutional convention.  It does indeed serve to preserve the checks and balances we so dearly cherish (and yearn to regain from the current King George).  But remember , at the risk of defeating my own argument, that those Representatives and Senators are elected by a popular vote of the people. </p>
<p>Although I am somewhat in agreement with the argument for the electoral college, you serve to bolster it&#8217;s weakness with the idea that only the most populated states  gain the attention of the candidates.  They will, and do concentrate their resources for the most part on those particular states anyway. What would the big difference be in nine states or eleven states ?  Your statement about regional issues pertaining to lower populated areas not getting their attention applies today !  That&#8217;s the reason for many of the western states sort of &#8220;ganging up&#8221; for a so-called western primary election.  I have serious doubts about it getting much more of the candidates&#8217; attention than we do now.</p>
<p>Perhaps a better solution might be for all states to apportion their electors on a pro rated basis according to the popular vote or perhaps the way New York did in 1828 and  Maine and Nebraska do now. (Didn&#8217;t think I&#8217;d do my homework, did ya ? ! )<br />
That at least looks to be a more representative way of selecting electors.<br />
We need to put more of the &#8220;DEMOS&#8221; ( that&#8217;s Greek for THE PEOPLE for those of you in Utah county) back in this Democratic Republic !<br />
Just a few more thoughts to ponder over.       Pops</p>
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